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		<title>By: Todd</title>
		<link>http://www.toddseal.com/rodin/2006/07/stop-dopa/comment-page-1/#comment-830</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 06:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are always welcome to share your views here. Thank you for engaging in the conversation and I hope this has been interesting. Feel free to drop a comment into the mix anytime.

The problem is that teens post inappropriate content to places like MySpace. DOPA doesn&#039;t do anything to stop that behavior, so it doesn&#039;t solve the problem.

Even if my students are using MySpace to an educational end, it doesn&#039;t belong? What about my use of Blogger? Amazon? del.icio.us? What is it about MySpace that&#039;s so inappropriate for children? All the things you object to on MySpace, are they unique to MySpace or do they exist in other locations, too? Pedophiles, foul language, sexual imagery, all those things are a stone&#039;s-throw away for just about anyone with or without a computer. Should we legislate that inappropriate material no matter where it is? 35-year-old guys raising an eyebrow at a 17-year-old at the mall? Student language across campus? TV shows and movies (ratings systems are different than an outright ban on viewing)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are always welcome to share your views here. Thank you for engaging in the conversation and I hope this has been interesting. Feel free to drop a comment into the mix anytime.</p>
<p>The problem is that teens post inappropriate content to places like MySpace. DOPA doesn&#8217;t do anything to stop that behavior, so it doesn&#8217;t solve the problem.</p>
<p>Even if my students are using MySpace to an educational end, it doesn&#8217;t belong? What about my use of Blogger? Amazon? del.icio.us? What is it about MySpace that&#8217;s so inappropriate for children? All the things you object to on MySpace, are they unique to MySpace or do they exist in other locations, too? Pedophiles, foul language, sexual imagery, all those things are a stone&#8217;s-throw away for just about anyone with or without a computer. Should we legislate that inappropriate material no matter where it is? 35-year-old guys raising an eyebrow at a 17-year-old at the mall? Student language across campus? TV shows and movies (ratings systems are different than an outright ban on viewing)?</p>
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		<title>By: Rose DesRochers</title>
		<link>http://www.toddseal.com/rodin/2006/07/stop-dopa/comment-page-1/#comment-829</link>
		<dc:creator>Rose DesRochers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 05:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I&#039;m saying that MySpace does not belong in the class room and I feel that MySpace is an inappropriate place for children, but that&#039;s just my opinion Todd and doesn’t really reflect on this discussion therefore we’ll leave it at that. Take care and thank you for allowing me to share my views.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I&#8217;m saying that MySpace does not belong in the class room and I feel that MySpace is an inappropriate place for children, but that&#8217;s just my opinion Todd and doesn’t really reflect on this discussion therefore we’ll leave it at that. Take care and thank you for allowing me to share my views.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
		<link>http://www.toddseal.com/rodin/2006/07/stop-dopa/comment-page-1/#comment-822</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MySpace? Yes. They just unveiled a component that &lt;a href=&quot;http://collect.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=books&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;allows users to write and share book reviews&lt;/a&gt;. The community aspect of the site allows for a lot of great collaboration and discovery (&lt;a href=&quot;http://elgg.net/index.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;and Elgg does something similar&lt;/a&gt;, but it would also be blocked). The type of MySpace behavior that far too many adults mistakenly think is the preponderance of MySpace behavior certainly should be monitored and discussed, even reversed. However, millions of people use MySpace for exactly the purpose intended in exactly the way intended. All of my students this past year (that would be about 150) used Blogger correctly; there&#039;s was no abuse of the system of which I am aware.

Unsupervised? No, not at first and certainly not before high school. If that&#039;s all the concern here, there&#039;s a much smarter way of addressing it. DOPA is not written with supervision in mind. Rather, it&#039;s written in such a way that it simply blocks sites. End of discussion.

Violating &lt;abbr title=&quot;Terms of Service&quot;&gt;TOS&lt;/abbr&gt; is a problem that the MySpace community needs to address and that&#039;s another place pressure should be applied. If it&#039;s a &lt;abbr title=&quot;Terms of Service&quot;&gt;TOS&lt;/abbr&gt;, but nothing happens when it&#039;s violated, what&#039;s the point?

Who is anyone to make a blanket statement of what does or does not belong in the classroom? Just because you or I can&#039;t think of a way for it to be used educationally does not mean that such a way doesn&#039;t exist. What if a teacher out there thinks of a great way to use MySpace, like creating a profile and account for an author or a character from a novel being read? I want to take advantage of the books section of the MySpace, but you&#039;re saying that I can&#039;t? You&#039;re saying that I don&#039;t have the ability to educate my students on how to use it correctly? You&#039;re saying that students should walk out of high school without a clue of what these sites are? Don&#039;t you see that ignorance puts our kids behind the rest of the world?

Some of my students last year, for our final on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.powells.com/biblio/1-081120068x-5&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Siddhartha&lt;/a&gt;, created a modern version of Siddhartha&#039;s story and turned it into a series of Blog entries told from Siddhartha&#039;s point of view. The project was due before they had the chance to create accounts for other characters from the novel to leave comments on Siddhartha&#039;s postings, but that was their plan. What if they leave high school and take that kind of thinking with them to their first job?

DOPA prevents that kind of thinking from ever taking place in the youth of America, when that&#039;s exactly the type of thinking we should be doing everything within our powers to encourage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MySpace? Yes. They just unveiled a component that <a href="http://collect.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=books" rel="nofollow">allows users to write and share book reviews</a>. The community aspect of the site allows for a lot of great collaboration and discovery (<a href="http://elgg.net/index.php" rel="nofollow">and Elgg does something similar</a>, but it would also be blocked). The type of MySpace behavior that far too many adults mistakenly think is the preponderance of MySpace behavior certainly should be monitored and discussed, even reversed. However, millions of people use MySpace for exactly the purpose intended in exactly the way intended. All of my students this past year (that would be about 150) used Blogger correctly; there&#8217;s was no abuse of the system of which I am aware.</p>
<p>Unsupervised? No, not at first and certainly not before high school. If that&#8217;s all the concern here, there&#8217;s a much smarter way of addressing it. DOPA is not written with supervision in mind. Rather, it&#8217;s written in such a way that it simply blocks sites. End of discussion.</p>
<p>Violating <abbr title="Terms of Service">TOS</abbr> is a problem that the MySpace community needs to address and that&#8217;s another place pressure should be applied. If it&#8217;s a <abbr title="Terms of Service">TOS</abbr>, but nothing happens when it&#8217;s violated, what&#8217;s the point?</p>
<p>Who is anyone to make a blanket statement of what does or does not belong in the classroom? Just because you or I can&#8217;t think of a way for it to be used educationally does not mean that such a way doesn&#8217;t exist. What if a teacher out there thinks of a great way to use MySpace, like creating a profile and account for an author or a character from a novel being read? I want to take advantage of the books section of the MySpace, but you&#8217;re saying that I can&#8217;t? You&#8217;re saying that I don&#8217;t have the ability to educate my students on how to use it correctly? You&#8217;re saying that students should walk out of high school without a clue of what these sites are? Don&#8217;t you see that ignorance puts our kids behind the rest of the world?</p>
<p>Some of my students last year, for our final on <a href="http://www.powells.com/biblio/1-081120068x-5" rel="nofollow">Siddhartha</a>, created a modern version of Siddhartha&#8217;s story and turned it into a series of Blog entries told from Siddhartha&#8217;s point of view. The project was due before they had the chance to create accounts for other characters from the novel to leave comments on Siddhartha&#8217;s postings, but that was their plan. What if they leave high school and take that kind of thinking with them to their first job?</p>
<p>DOPA prevents that kind of thinking from ever taking place in the youth of America, when that&#8217;s exactly the type of thinking we should be doing everything within our powers to encourage.</p>
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		<title>By: Rose DesRochers</title>
		<link>http://www.toddseal.com/rodin/2006/07/stop-dopa/comment-page-1/#comment-821</link>
		<dc:creator>Rose DesRochers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 16:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd, but do you really think MySpace belongs in the classroom? Should children really be using these websites in Class unsupervised. Should my daughter of been allowed to set up a hotmail account, and add her friends etc without my knowledge when as a parent I supervise her at home? I&#039;m all for education and I believe that computers play an important role in their education. We need technology in every classroom and in every student and teacher’s hand, but what we don&#039;t need is children accessing the net with no supervision. How many children under 14 have already violated the MySpace terms of service? Children should not have unsupervised access to the internet. There are just too many opportunities for inappropriate interactions. MySpace does not belong in the classroom. Again that is just my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd, but do you really think MySpace belongs in the classroom? Should children really be using these websites in Class unsupervised. Should my daughter of been allowed to set up a hotmail account, and add her friends etc without my knowledge when as a parent I supervise her at home? I&#8217;m all for education and I believe that computers play an important role in their education. We need technology in every classroom and in every student and teacher’s hand, but what we don&#8217;t need is children accessing the net with no supervision. How many children under 14 have already violated the MySpace terms of service? Children should not have unsupervised access to the internet. There are just too many opportunities for inappropriate interactions. MySpace does not belong in the classroom. Again that is just my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
		<link>http://www.toddseal.com/rodin/2006/07/stop-dopa/comment-page-1/#comment-820</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 06:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The practical application of that filter being turned off is that, quite simply, it wouldn&#039;t be. Once school district offices get wind of the required paperwork and/or infected with the paranoia the bill inspires, it&#039;ll be easier for those powers to simply keep the filter in place, ensuring the receipt of federal funds and not risking anything. The district office that&#039;s willing to stick its neck out in the name of one of its teachers is a rarity.

As it is, despite my best-reasoned and passionate pleas for it, my district office doesn&#039;t allow any school Web site to have a contact form. They cite concern/fear of misuse and threats sent by malicious users. There&#039;s no law surrounding contact forms. If I can&#039;t get a contact form through in 2 years of wrangling for it, how effective do you think my arguments will be for lifting the &lt;strong&gt;federal ban&lt;/strong&gt; on a site because I can defend its application in my classroom?

There are provisions for such things, yes, but most district offices are ignorant, prefer to be that way, and wouldn&#039;t want to risk the loss of a single cent. Most district offices will take the path of least resistance and that&#039;s something a federal law should take into account; if they are going to stick their noses in, they should stick them in all the way and find out what really goes on. That&#039;s why this bill is so damaging to what we do in the classroom. Please understand that these sites, when applied educationally, are the most effective way of keeping kids involved with school. Without them, the curriculum is outdated and the kids know it. Further, without those sites in the classroom, school is close to irrelevant and out of touch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The practical application of that filter being turned off is that, quite simply, it wouldn&#8217;t be. Once school district offices get wind of the required paperwork and/or infected with the paranoia the bill inspires, it&#8217;ll be easier for those powers to simply keep the filter in place, ensuring the receipt of federal funds and not risking anything. The district office that&#8217;s willing to stick its neck out in the name of one of its teachers is a rarity.</p>
<p>As it is, despite my best-reasoned and passionate pleas for it, my district office doesn&#8217;t allow any school Web site to have a contact form. They cite concern/fear of misuse and threats sent by malicious users. There&#8217;s no law surrounding contact forms. If I can&#8217;t get a contact form through in 2 years of wrangling for it, how effective do you think my arguments will be for lifting the <strong>federal ban</strong> on a site because I can defend its application in my classroom?</p>
<p>There are provisions for such things, yes, but most district offices are ignorant, prefer to be that way, and wouldn&#8217;t want to risk the loss of a single cent. Most district offices will take the path of least resistance and that&#8217;s something a federal law should take into account; if they are going to stick their noses in, they should stick them in all the way and find out what really goes on. That&#8217;s why this bill is so damaging to what we do in the classroom. Please understand that these sites, when applied educationally, are the most effective way of keeping kids involved with school. Without them, the curriculum is outdated and the kids know it. Further, without those sites in the classroom, school is close to irrelevant and out of touch.</p>
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