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	<title>Comments on: A Drastic Grade Policy</title>
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	<description>Challenge The Status Quo</description>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
		<link>http://www.toddseal.com/rodin/2007/03/a-drastic-grade-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-20047</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 03:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who said anything about intrinsic versus extrinsic? I just needed my students to take the assessment more seriously and put forth greater effort at improving.

If you care to explain yourself a bit more, I might be able to see your point. I'd like to hear your ideas on how to increase intrinsic motivation about reading and writing without any kind of extrinsic element. It's a hard sell to convince kids to write and read more because it'll make them feel better inside. That said, what would you have done in my situation?

Students started to perform better on the writing assessment once they saw that they couldn't put something coherent together in the span of 20 minutes. Many students genuinely cared that they couldn't write when asked. They felt bad that they were among the ones still left writing, more due to their own recognition of a lack of skill than embarrassment.

Where's the proof you mention in forgetting things due to the removal of extrinsic motivators? Further, where's your proof that this will be a detriment to their academic future? After being told for so many years, "No dessert if you don't eat your vegetables," didn't you finally realize that vegetables are good and good for you? Sometimes it takes extrinsic motivators to force action that you'll later recognize as worth your while.

Intrinsic is obviously the goal. But we're often faced with classrooms full of reluctant writers and proud non-readers. Failing the inner motivation, I'm not ashamed to manipulate extrinsic factors in order to see the level of work I want/need. I'm sorry you see my methods as so harsh and malevolent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who said anything about intrinsic versus extrinsic? I just needed my students to take the assessment more seriously and put forth greater effort at improving.</p>
<p>If you care to explain yourself a bit more, I might be able to see your point. I&#8217;d like to hear your ideas on how to increase intrinsic motivation about reading and writing without any kind of extrinsic element. It&#8217;s a hard sell to convince kids to write and read more because it&#8217;ll make them feel better inside. That said, what would you have done in my situation?</p>
<p>Students started to perform better on the writing assessment once they saw that they couldn&#8217;t put something coherent together in the span of 20 minutes. Many students genuinely cared that they couldn&#8217;t write when asked. They felt bad that they were among the ones still left writing, more due to their own recognition of a lack of skill than embarrassment.</p>
<p>Where&#8217;s the proof you mention in forgetting things due to the removal of extrinsic motivators? Further, where&#8217;s your proof that this will be a detriment to their academic future? After being told for so many years, &#8220;No dessert if you don&#8217;t eat your vegetables,&#8221; didn&#8217;t you finally realize that vegetables are good and good for you? Sometimes it takes extrinsic motivators to force action that you&#8217;ll later recognize as worth your while.</p>
<p>Intrinsic is obviously the goal. But we&#8217;re often faced with classrooms full of reluctant writers and proud non-readers. Failing the inner motivation, I&#8217;m not ashamed to manipulate extrinsic factors in order to see the level of work I want/need. I&#8217;m sorry you see my methods as so harsh and malevolent.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 02:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not creative.  It is bribery.  This is not increasing intrinsic motivating, it is increasing external motivation.  It is proven that once the external incentive is removed these kids will forget everything and have even less motivation (loss of intrinsic motivation and loss of external motivation).  This teaching method will only detriment the students' future education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not creative.  It is bribery.  This is not increasing intrinsic motivating, it is increasing external motivation.  It is proven that once the external incentive is removed these kids will forget everything and have even less motivation (loss of intrinsic motivation and loss of external motivation).  This teaching method will only detriment the students&#8217; future education.</p>
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		<title>By: Elona</title>
		<link>http://www.toddseal.com/rodin/2007/03/a-drastic-grade-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-12282</link>
		<dc:creator>Elona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 11:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are doing such a great job of trying to get the kids motivated. I know, it's not an easy task.  I'm having similar problems with my really weak grade nine math students.  They tax my creativity too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are doing such a great job of trying to get the kids motivated. I know, it&#8217;s not an easy task.  I&#8217;m having similar problems with my really weak grade nine math students.  They tax my creativity too.</p>
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